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Old 10-19-2006 | 09:23 PM
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Just wondering if anyone knows anyting about how awesome the engines are on these cars there able to reach 180mph in just a few seconds using the renesis engine just wondering if anyone knows anything thats unique on these cars?
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Originally Posted by yoel' post='841680' date='Oct 19 2006, 06:23 PM

Just wondering if anyone knows anyting about how awesome the engines are on these cars there able to reach 180mph in just a few seconds using the renesis engine just wondering if anyone knows anything thats unique on these cars?




The competitive engine in atlantic is either the Cosworth or Toyota 1600cc 4 valve heads.



In Atlantics, only the old 12A is allowed. With a street port (about 220 HP) no intake restrictions.



With a bridge port you have to use a carb and 38mm chokes (about 250 HP). We don't want those cheap rotaries beating the big guys do we?



There is a similar looking class called formula Mazda that must run only the Renisis engine, and I am proud to report that a Mazda powered car wins every time.





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Old 10-19-2006 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Lynn E. Hanover' post='841689' date='Oct 19 2006, 06:47 PM

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The competitive engine in atlantic is either the Cosworth or Toyota 1600cc 4 valve heads.



In Atlantics, only the old 12A is allowed. With a street port (about 220 HP) no intake restrictions.



With a bridge port you have to use a carb and 38mm chokes (about 250 HP). We don't want those cheap rotaries beating the big guys do we?



There is a similar looking class called formula Mazda that must run only the Renisis engine, and I am proud to report that a Mazda powered car wins every time.

Lynn E. Hanover




There is also a class called IT for older nearly street stock cars, and first and second gen Mazdas are competitive in that class. The Natioal champion in C sports racing (smaller Can Am cars) has been Mazda powered for the past several years.



I have a GT-3 tube frame car but the Mazda is not competitive in GT-3.
Old 10-20-2006 | 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Lynn E. Hanover' post='841697' date='Oct 19 2006, 09:56 PM

There is also a class called IT for older nearly street stock cars, and first and second gen Mazdas are competitive in that class. The Natioal champion in C sports racing (smaller Can Am cars) has been Mazda powered for the past several years.



I have a GT-3 tube frame car but the Mazda is not competitive in GT-3.
Beutiful machine! what racing schools did you attend if i may ask? I'm going to join the scca or probably some other organizations so i can put my foot in the door to reach my dream of becoming a professional open wheel race car driver but of course money very little and the dream is very big...
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Originally Posted by yoel' post='841742' date='Oct 19 2006, 10:28 PM

Beutiful machine! what racing schools did you attend if i may ask? I'm going to join the scca or probably some other organizations so i can put my foot in the door to reach my dream of becoming a professional open wheel race car driver but of course money very little and the dream is very big...




Just join the SCCA, and the first copy of the magazine will have a schedule of the upcoming schools in your area. The club runs their own schools, and in some cases they run two on the same weekend, so as to save towing and lodging expenses. You need two schools completed and then 6 regeonal races to earn your national license.



However at each school, there is a race on Saturday and Sunday afternoon. So you are racing right out of the box. It is the most fun you can have with your clothes on.



It is actually a form of drug addiction, from the endorphons your brain generates to keep you from passing out while scaring the **** out of yourself. But it feels reallllllllllll goooooood.



The personal training in SCCA schools is minimal. You must do some reading on your own and there is some minimum equipment for the car and the driver that is a must, and expensive. If you go to some meetings and sign on as a crew member on an existing team you will pick it up quick.



In the short term, going to a pro drivers school is the best bet. They supply everything but the helmate.

Very pricy but they qualify as a SCCA school towards your license. You can also race in autocross events on parking lot events every weekend all over the country. Nearly no equipment (other than a current helmate)

is required, and a few bucks gets you in for two days of beating the snot out of your car. Lots of friendly people and help.



If you want to make it big time, think big money. Like should I buy a big partment building and have a big income for life, or, get into racing, and have to kiss up to some really rich people just to do this.



I have started a few people off that you might recognize. One runs his own operation now with two fully sponsered

cars. That is, the driver brings his sponsor and a million and a half, plus a bonding company to cover the cost of a new racer in case there is a problem. This is for a ten race deal in a televised series in enclosed sportscars running on tracks you have heard of since you were born. For the cheapest open wheel stuff, in a televized race, the formula Mazda is about it cost wise. Under 100 grand anyway and nobody will see you unless you run up front. So, start off thinking small.



PS. Hang around with old people. They are smart. They have all of the money. One of them might say, my say: Sonny, my driver retired, and I have this old Mazda sitting in the shop....................................





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Old 10-20-2006 | 08:52 AM
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If you are reffering to the Champcar Atlantic series, they use the 2.3 litre Mazda engine as built by Cosworth. http://www.champcaratlantic.com/FrontPage.asp



Star Mazda uses the Renesis. http://www.starmazda.com/
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thank you for the words of advice and encouragement they will be definetly be used in for my future and trust me the things you said about about the big income and apartment i'm DEFINETLY willing to give those up for even the smallest chance at being at track and racing and doing what i love



If you are reffering to the Champcar Atlantic series, they use the 2.3 litre Mazda engine as built by Cosworth. http://www.champcaratlantic.com/FrontPage.asp



Star Mazda uses the Renesis. http://www.starmazda.com/


yes these were the cars i was talking about!
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Originally Posted by yoel' post='841854' date='Oct 20 2006, 11:31 AM

thank you for the words of advice and encouragement they will be definetly be used in for my future and trust me the things you said about about the big income and apartment i'm DEFINETLY willing to give those up for even the smallest chance at being at track and racing and doing what i love

yes these were the cars i was talking about!




I just read up on the NEW Atlantic series. Looks like the pro side is not under control of SCCA. Toyota is out.



It is a spec series with just one engine (Mazda) and one Chassis. So the up front price should be more reasonable. About a million a car was the price for 13 weekends with Toyota or Cosworth power.



I would like to see the Cosworth guys doing their first rotaries. I had a mag case Cosworth 2 liter in my barn for 10 years. Finally got the owner to pick it up as the farm is for sale. It would be great if Cosworth started making pieces for the Mazda racers. Cosworth stuff rocks.



The rules for SCCA Atlantics are still the same. Many engines. Many car brands as before.



I didn't answer the where question. Here you go. I attended regular SCCA driving schools at Nelson Ledges race course near Warren Ohio. And at Summit point near Leesburg Va. I used the then current National race car, a Fiat but with the backup engine. My wife went the following year but in a second car I built for her.

Both cars are still active although they were sold years ago. My Fiat finished first two weeks ago at Mid Ohio.



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Old 11-05-2006 | 02:30 PM
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lynn are you looking for a new son? i want to drive the gt3!
Old 11-10-2006 | 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Lynn E. Hanover' post='841697' date='Oct 19 2006, 07:56 PM

There is also a class called IT for older nearly street stock cars, and first and second gen Mazdas are competitive in that class. The Natioal champion in C sports racing (smaller Can Am cars) has been Mazda powered for the past several years.



I have a GT-3 tube frame car but the Mazda is not competitive in GT-3.
You just need the Celica with sequential shifter or Mike Lewis's team and setup..... JK!
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