a 4g63 a piece of ****? i knwo someone who has one with a exhaust, 16g, bigger side mount and some other random mods and he runs 19 or 20psi daily for about 1 and 1/2 years now......I guess that isn't good? and the motor isn't built...its stock. another friend of mine has a 99 with a 16g and a bunch of other ****, he dynoed 310 awdhp at 18psi..and he drives it daily like that for about 6 months...I'm not tryign to start a fight, jsut trying to give a motor its credit

 

4g63 is a piece of ****. The awd ones are nice off the line and thats it, and the fwd ones are *** off the line. I know several people that have built up eclipses and talons here is the list...



second gen eclipse it was automatic had fmic, upgraded turbo (not sure but i think it was a 20g) and a whole bunch of other ****, was running at about 20 psi and his best time was 15.1 i think now that is pitiful



Another guy with a second gen talon has been through 6 motors in 1 year!!! And he didnt get another motor right after the other ones blew up the car sat between each new motor.



Another guy i went to highschool with had a 1st gen talon ran a 14.1 with the stock turbo and some bolt ons i believe but he was having motor trouble the entire 7 months he had the car, he ended up selling it.



Finally another guy who i used to hang out with has a 97 gst with fmic, 16g, upgraded fuel, kaaz lsd, 3 inch exhaust, safc and other stuff im forgetting. He blew his motor and spent 10k+ for all his parts and work and ran a 13.7 at 21psi. And he is on his 5th transmission in a year. All in all he has probly driven his car a total of 4 months the last year.



The motor, along with the rest of the car is ***.

 

thats funny, cause a firend of mine with a 20g, fmic, and some other stuff just ran a 13.2 at 106 mph...with a 2.2 60ft



tell your friends to learn how to drive and get their cars tuned correctll...and i don't see how the guy has been through that many trannys with fwd?...tell him to use the clutch

 

Well thats good for him. What track was he at?



None of these guys are my friends I dont tell them anything that can be considered usefull. And all of them except for the last one were tuned I believe. When the last guy blew his motor all he had was exhaust bye the way, and it was crankwalk that got him.



I havent seen one dsm that has been reliable and fast yet.

 

etown..during the DSM shootout...last week or the week before..crank walk only happens on the 7 bolt motors...doesn't mean all 4g63s are ****

 

did turbotrix tune them...cause that just sounds like bad tuning/"i can't drive for ****"..besides the crank walk and the guy that has been through 5 trannys

 

You could replace a lot of things you said with "13b-REW" and "FD."



You are just describing terribly built/maintained cars.



I'll agree that the SR20s can be powerful, but that won't change my opinion: I still don't like them.



I don't want people on the board to think I'm an opinionated bastard, so I really wasn't trying to start anything.

 

I never said FD's were reliable







Nope Rx4 speed did the motors on the second and last car i mentioned and the first one too i think but im not sure.

 

I wasn't implying that you had.



I was only stating that you can apply what you said to any car. If it's not properly built/maintained/driven, **** happens.

 

a SR20 can have upto 450hp on stock internals.



that is why so many people are doing the swap. isn't the 4g63 the one that suffers from crank walk?