Piston Engines.
08-16-2003, 05:59 AM
#13
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i never learned how to rebuild a piston engine.. but after talking to Dragon, Igy and Rutt about my old 180SX and then watching them buid a 13B.. I knew right away that there is no comparison.. so many little things on a piston engine.. and the cost alone, what it cost you to build one piston engine you could rebuild a rotary about 10 times. Now this is based off doing it yourself. and I know for a fact that I would rather build a rotary than a piston engine.
08-16-2003, 06:22 AM
#14
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I do have to say that rotary is so much better. The only thing we need to worrie about it apex seals and coolent seals well for the most part. Man so much **** in a piston engine. People dont liek the rotary because they dont understand it. If more people would learn rotary would take over. Think about how much development the piston engine has had, now compare that to a rotary. The rotary engine is like a 3 yr old compared to a 60 yr old. Just wait till rotarys are at that point.
08-16-2003, 11:48 AM
#16
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i learned pistons first, and rotaries second. I will never go back. i can't believe i actually thought about putting a piston engine in my rex. Piston engines belongs in pickups and trucks where 300 ft-lbs of torque is needed. well put.
08-16-2003, 02:25 PM
#17
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I wanted to mod my Integra for a short time but my curiosity about second gen RX-7s brought me to my FC; I became quickly attached to it like a moth drawn to a flame. $1200 later I became a rotary convert, infatuated with my true love in cars.
I rebuilt the B16 engine in my Acura about four years ago and there were many parts to measure, replace, machine and reassemble. Adjusting the valves every year is a real pain. Now I have my S4 13B apart and it seems almost too easy to rebuild. Porting it has been fun.
I agree that the honda kids suck and argue over nothing. The rotary crowd is much friendlier and more mature (for the most part), though I regret using the word "integra" in my handle because I still get the occasional smack talking from rotorheads who don't know me.
If you want a daily driver I would just get a cheap S4 NA. They ride nice, run well when properly maintained and are true sports cars unlike Preludes. My gas mileage is about 25-28 on the freeway at 70 and about 20 around town.
I rebuilt the B16 engine in my Acura about four years ago and there were many parts to measure, replace, machine and reassemble. Adjusting the valves every year is a real pain. Now I have my S4 13B apart and it seems almost too easy to rebuild. Porting it has been fun.
I agree that the honda kids suck and argue over nothing. The rotary crowd is much friendlier and more mature (for the most part), though I regret using the word "integra" in my handle because I still get the occasional smack talking from rotorheads who don't know me.
If you want a daily driver I would just get a cheap S4 NA. They ride nice, run well when properly maintained and are true sports cars unlike Preludes. My gas mileage is about 25-28 on the freeway at 70 and about 20 around town.
08-16-2003, 02:56 PM
#18
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i considered myself a honda man before grtting into my current TII-FB swap. i owned a 2001 integra type-r that ran mid 13's with a 50-shot of nitrous, only other mods i had on the car were an intake and v-afc. the thing about hondas is they are quite reliable even when tuned and they are farily cheap. for about a 10k investment you can have a little civic hatchback running 10's no problem. and the fact that the honda b-series engine is hands down one the easiest engines to work on, two of my buddies can have an integra ls engine swapped into a civic in a day and running fine.
the thing about hondas is there's a limit to what you can do, you can get good 1/4 mile times and do really well at auto-x. but hondas will never really be able to compete at the fully tuned level with cars that are designed for real speed. civics were never meant to do 170 mph or hold over 1g on the skidpad.
hands down the best example of honda street engineering is the type-r series of cars. we've only seen the integra here but over seas they a complete lineup from the civic to the nsx. here in the states a sports car is required to do alot to gain respect, hondas have never been exceptional 1/4 mile cars out of the box. they were designed more for road courses and the type-r's do quite well at the track when a good driver is behind the wheel. a stock integra type-r runs very well against a stock us-spec fd. the gap widens considerably when you throw modifications into the mix, if you throw 5k at both cars the rx-7 becomes a terror but the integra might be able to keep up with a vette threw a road course.
in the short time i've been working with rotaries i've come to love the simplicity of the engine and its design. i think i'll keep with rotaries for my street terror, but for my daily driver i'll have to go with a lightly modded honda. good gas mileage and rock solid dependability saves me money for a turbo upgrade...
P.S. don't buy a prelude, they're big and slow. H22 engines have very weak crankshafts.
the thing about hondas is there's a limit to what you can do, you can get good 1/4 mile times and do really well at auto-x. but hondas will never really be able to compete at the fully tuned level with cars that are designed for real speed. civics were never meant to do 170 mph or hold over 1g on the skidpad.
hands down the best example of honda street engineering is the type-r series of cars. we've only seen the integra here but over seas they a complete lineup from the civic to the nsx. here in the states a sports car is required to do alot to gain respect, hondas have never been exceptional 1/4 mile cars out of the box. they were designed more for road courses and the type-r's do quite well at the track when a good driver is behind the wheel. a stock integra type-r runs very well against a stock us-spec fd. the gap widens considerably when you throw modifications into the mix, if you throw 5k at both cars the rx-7 becomes a terror but the integra might be able to keep up with a vette threw a road course.
in the short time i've been working with rotaries i've come to love the simplicity of the engine and its design. i think i'll keep with rotaries for my street terror, but for my daily driver i'll have to go with a lightly modded honda. good gas mileage and rock solid dependability saves me money for a turbo upgrade...
P.S. don't buy a prelude, they're big and slow. H22 engines have very weak crankshafts.
08-16-2003, 10:15 PM
#20
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Originally Posted by DJ Blu' date='Aug 16 2003, 08:48 AM
i learned pistons first, and rotaries second. I will never go back. i can't believe i actually thought about putting a piston engine in my rex. Piston engines belongs in pickups and trucks where 300 ft-lbs of torque is needed. well put.