NYC Transit Strike!
12-21-2005, 08:32 AM
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just so i have these figures right... it takes 1 hour round trip, assuming that al guardia doesn't lock a la's (light aircraft) in a holding pattern for any amount of time.
if you fly vfr, trust me.. they cannot put you into a holding pattern. they can only vector you to certain headings... granted small airplanes are much slower, but 9 times outta 10 they are gonna throw you in on the runway that is least in use (assuming winds aren't really bad) to keep the traffic seperation, and to keep you away from the large aircraft.. you kind of have an advantage.. in a weird way
As far as holding goes, unless you file IFR and are instrument rated you aren't gona be doing any holding. You might get vectored around for seperation, but thats about it.
exactly.
Any private pilot can rent a plane, this is of course if you have a sign off by the company that rents planes. Assuming you have that, it cost anywhere from 50-100 bucks and hour for most small airplanes that hold 2-4 people. I took my dad flying last Xmas for 2 hours and 90 bucks.
that's a sweet price. cheapest i've seen here is around 50 an hour for a 152.. but up to 120 + an hour for a 172.. thats why if you do a lot of flying, it pays to join an aero club.. cheaper flying.. well maintained aircraft. makes sense for me. if you know someone who will let you use their airplane; well, even better.
NYC may have some strict rules that don't normally apply when flying near buildings and obstructions, this is if you want to site see and take pics or something out of the ordinary for that airspace. Typically you need 500 feet seperation, and I know in Tulsa, class C airspace, I can fly over the city all I want if I request it. NYC I'm guessing you can't kill time in their airspace, especially since its B. But none the less, plenty of time to check out the city with a great view in any plane.
besides standard minimums, 2,000 horizontal from obstructions, 1000 above congested and 500 over non-congested yadda yadda.. you can legally fly over the city (technically) as long as you are in radio contact with approach, and assuming they give you permission.. and yes, you can fly right over the airspace directly over anything you want to...
flying over atlantic city around 1500' is awesome.. then skimming the tops of the casino's while flying base/final into 32 (think that's the runway).. it's just purely awesome...
Last time I flew into laguardia I think it took about an hour to get through the city, so figure no additional time for the strike, cab fair prolly about $75 each way, that's $150 and you are into the trip 3 hours, that's $210, of course the people you brough with you are hungry, so gotta get some food, that's another hour $70. Now yer gonna want at least 6 hours shopping, prolly more like 8, but let;s say 6 so that's $350, another 2 hours for dinner, cause that's what it's gonna take in manhatten on a shopping night $140.
That's $920 for a day of shopping via aircraft in manhatten, this is of course not allowing for any holding time, or more then usual traffic time while taking a cab
That's $920 for a day of shopping via aircraft in manhatten, this is of course not allowing for any holding time, or more then usual traffic time while taking a cab
i am still looking at 70 for the aircraft rental total...no holding paterns, and say you get caught in the air for an extra 15-30 minutes.. odds are it won't happen flying vfr, unless you have a killer headwind.. ok.. say cab fair is 75 each way.. plus 70 for the plane.. 220.. total trip.. divided 4 ways, $55... it still kills the train by over half.. i just checked amtrack, and couldnt' find anything under $100 unless you go much later in the year.
now as for food. shoping, and all that other crap; you are going to pay a ton whether you go by car, bike, air or rail.
Currently the only area I know that is about to go on wierd flight restricitons in the DC area. They are trying to set it up so that any general aviation, or corporate flights must enter from 1 of 12 airports based in the US. The planes must also be registered ahead of time to enter, and have a security guard on board. Passengers will be finger printed and probably anally probed from the way the article talked. But thats DC and not NYC. Sounded recockulous to me.
as for dc, they have a huge thing (called an adiz) all the way around it.. it's huge, and ******* stupid.. must have a valid flight plan, in contact with approach, mode c transponder just to enter it.. etc... aopa is trying to do away with it.. it's annoying as **** though when you live somewhat close to dc and either have to go around it, or live with it. it would be ok if it just surrounded dc, but it surrounds like a million square miles (sarcasm).. hopefully they find a way to make it easier for general aviation to get in.. there are some cool airports around there.
12-21-2005, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by boxrs4sale' post='788641' date='Dec 21 2005, 06:32 AM
if you fly vfr, trust me.. they cannot put you into a holding pattern. they can only vector you to certain headings... granted small airplanes are much slower, but 9 times outta 10 they are gonna throw you in on the runway that is least in use (assuming winds aren't really bad) to keep the traffic seperation, and to keep you away from the large aircraft.. you kind of have an advantage.. in a weird way
exactly.
that's a sweet price. cheapest i've seen here is around 50 an hour for a 152.. but up to 120 + an hour for a 172.. thats why if you do a lot of flying, it pays to join an aero club.. cheaper flying.. well maintained aircraft. makes sense for me. if you know someone who will let you use their airplane; well, even better.
besides standard minimums, 2,000 horizontal from obstructions, 1000 above congested and 500 over non-congested yadda yadda.. you can legally fly over the city (technically) as long as you are in radio contact with approach, and assuming they give you permission.. and yes, you can fly right over the airspace directly over anything you want to...
flying over atlantic city around 1500' is awesome.. then skimming the tops of the casino's while flying base/final into 32 (think that's the runway).. it's just purely awesome...
i am still looking at 70 for the aircraft rental total...no holding paterns, and say you get caught in the air for an extra 15-30 minutes.. odds are it won't happen flying vfr, unless you have a killer headwind.. ok.. say cab fair is 75 each way.. plus 70 for the plane.. 220.. total trip.. divided 4 ways, $55... it still kills the train by over half.. i just checked amtrack, and couldnt' find anything under $100 unless you go much later in the year.
now as for food. shoping, and all that other crap; you are going to pay a ton whether you go by car, bike, air or rail.
as for dc, they have a huge thing (called an adiz) all the way around it.. it's huge, and ******* stupid.. must have a valid flight plan, in contact with approach, mode c transponder just to enter it.. etc... aopa is trying to do away with it.. it's annoying as **** though when you live somewhat close to dc and either have to go around it, or live with it. it would be ok if it just surrounded dc, but it surrounds like a million square miles (sarcasm).. hopefully they find a way to make it easier for general aviation to get in.. there are some cool airports around there.
SO what about that Transit Strike ehhhh lol
Jason NYC
12-21-2005, 11:41 AM
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well it's a little hard to figure out what you are paying for the plane so my figures are off, you had said it was $70 an hour... now it's $70 for the whole plane, or possibly as 94t mentioned, only paying 70 an hour for actual time on the meter.
12-21-2005, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by phinsup' post='788685' date='Dec 21 2005, 09:41 AM
well it's a little hard to figure out what you are paying for the plane so my figures are off, you had said it was $70 an hour... now it's $70 for the whole plane, or possibly as 94t mentioned, only paying 70 an hour for actual time on the meter.
let me try to make it a little more clear.
the airplane is $70 per flight hour. the charges start once that hobbs meter starts turning (so while the airplane is running)... thats it. no strings.
when the engine starts, you start paying.. when the engine is shut down, your done paying. the hobbs meter is what keeps track of your total time.
i don't know if you think there are more charges, but that is how they base the charges for the flight...
so. if nyc is about 30 minutes each way, it's about an hour total time roundtrip.. so about $70.
when you taxi/park, the engine is running.... but doesn't take but a couple minutes, so you can't really add that into the cost. maybe another 5-10 minutes.
12-21-2005, 12:00 PM
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no that's actually wut i just said, "you pay actual time on the meter", but you can restate that again if you feel impelled to do so.
Apparently that statement was "clear to you", but apparently making the same statement with "hobbs meter" instead of just "meter" is more clear.
Apparently that statement was "clear to you", but apparently making the same statement with "hobbs meter" instead of just "meter" is more clear.
12-21-2005, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by phinsup' post='788700' date='Dec 21 2005, 10:00 AM
no that's actually wut i just said, "you pay actual time on the meter", but you can restate that again if you feel impelled to do so.
Apparently that statement was "clear to you", but apparently making the same statement with "hobbs meter" instead of just "meter" is more clear.
on the previous page:
when renting an airplane, you only pay for the time it's running. Not sitting.
yes, the hobbs meter. i figured most would just assume that there would be some sort of device in an airplane that measures how long it's been running... like the odometer on a car, or the hour gauge on boat?
12-21-2005, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by boxrs4sale' post='788708' date='Dec 21 2005, 01:13 PM
on the previous page:
yes, the hobbs meter. i figured most would just assume that there would be some sort of device in an airplane that measures how long it's been running... like the odometer on a car, or the hour gauge on boat?
and if you notice on the post i made right before you posted the exact same thing in order to feel superior, i posted that 1) my figures were off as there was initially some confusion as to the cost, not everyone knows you pay for meter time 2) I stated that my figures were off becuase in fact YOU ONLY PAY FOR METER TIME. and yet you still feel compelled to try and make me look like an idiot by restating the fact.
You are just so articulate I can't even communicate with you on such an intellectual level, you know all about the "hobbs" meter and the mistery and aircraft rental billing, please take a moment to repost everything i post so I can understand it!
Thanks so much for explaining how an hour meter works, you are a ******* genious, too bad you can't read my posts before you reply to them restating wut i have already said.