teknics

ok so let's recap:



you say:

"God forbid you can't "bang gears". That'll affect your mad kwik shifting, yo. "



then you say that you bang gears as well? hypocritical? i think so my good sir.



as for me contradicting myself, it's rather impossible since all i've been saying from the beginning is the shifter is where a normal man's radio would be. I said it was uncomfortable and in a position where it was hard to get comfortable.



Due to it's lack of comfortability my hand has "slid" off the shifter and resulted in me punching the dash. To my "sliding off" is synonymous with "falling off"... but i'm no college man so who knows.



My argument is actually doing quite well since you've now agreed to my original argument...the shifter is impractical and uncomfortable for a regular little commuter car, or a car which, however slow it may be, will eventually become a "drag car" (yes yes where's the image "this just in 16.8 @ 80mph is NOT fast") if it falls into the hands of a ricer.



and how exactly are you going to be cornering hard in a wanna-be mini-van? (woo alert the sirens i've returned to the rhetorical questions, wooooooooooooooooooooo) And yes it may be running through your head "if a ricermakes them a drag car why not an autox car"...well please see the next paragraph as to why it still isn't closer, which as you repeatedly state, is better for the corners.



also if you look at the pic the shifter isn't "closer" to the steering wheel, it's simply in an elevated state, it's relative distance from the steering wheel is equal to if it had been mounted down on the console, properly. Perhaps if it was "angled" towards the driver, or moved to the left more i could see how it was closer. But as it stands now it's simply a nuisance.



One other thing, the shifter must have a rather long-throw to it unless the linkage and such is directly under the radio....now isn't a long-throw a non-racing thing generally found in big-rigs and such? So let's just say the shifter actually is closer (which i dont think it is, it's simply elevated, the relative distance is still the same) they took away the short-throws just so your arm can be more uncomfortable? So combine a longer throw, with a more uncomfortable position and it just doesnt work out too well for hard cornering, the fatigue would be double that of a short-thrown console mounted shifter. (c'mon i just gave you that whole paragraph to attack my ideaology, GO FOR IT!)



kevin.

j9fd3s

i guess you didnt see the lastest grassroots motor sports where they setup an autox course and used a honda odessey to spank porsches



mike

teknics

thats an actual mini-van tho, this is a wanna-be minivan.



kevin.

j9fd3s

thats an actual mini-van tho, this is a wanna-be minivan.



kevin. [/quote]

so it should be faster



mike

teknics

THERE IT IS!



found the oogly pic of what the shifter is.







kevin.

teknics

thats an actual mini-van tho, this is a wanna-be minivan.



kevin. [/quote]

so it should be faster



mike [/quote]

faster doesnt mean better. i mena you said it yourself, a minivan beat porsches, im sure the porsches were faster.



kevin.

UniqueTII

Your definition of banging gears is: " to me banging gears is power shifting aka not using the clutch" which I do not do, and never said I did. Sliding off and falling off may be synonymous, but skimming and falling are not, which are the words you used.



Now, as for it being closer, as you stated, it's in an elevated state. Now, if it's in the same vertical plane, which it is, and on a higher horizontal plane, which it is, it's closer to the steering wheel. Use the Pythagorean theorem to figure that one out.

j9fd3s

yup, thats why you need an alfa romeo



mike

teknics

your shift **** sits on the ground like that? your geometry is royally messed up in that picture, as is your interpetted position of a standard shifter. also what you must take into account is your arm, if you're arm is extended, which it must be to compensate for whatever "small" difference in closeness there is, then that can effect our ability to shift properly, and in a timely manner. Ok i will agree there is a minor difference (yes this is contradictory to my previous post, but the difference is not as major as you seem to say it is), but i mean that minor difference has made the shifter into practically a long throw, ruined the driver's geometry, and ultimately that one change has thrown off two other major factors.



so if something "skims off" such as a penny skimming off a roof, you mean to tell me that penny has not fallen off the roof? of course it has, therefore even those words are synonymous.



also the only way to appropriately make a diagram is to know some actual dimensions, just random lines are useless.



kevin.

j9fd3s

your shift **** sits on the ground like that? your geometry is royally messed up in that picture, as is your interpetted position of a standard shifter. also what you must take into account is your arm, if you're arm is extended, which it must be to compensate for whatever "small" difference in closeness there is, then that can effect our ability to shift properly, and in a timely manner. Ok i will agree there is a minor difference (yes this is contradictory to my previous post, but the difference is not as major as you seem to say it is), but i mean that minor difference has made the shifter into practically a long throw, ruined the driver's geometry, and ultimately that one change has thrown off two other major factors.



so if something "skims off" such as a penny skimming off a roof, you mean to tell me that penny has not fallen off the roof? of course it has, therefore even those words are synonymous.



also the only way to appropriately make a diagram is to know some actual dimensions, just random lines are useless.



kevin. [/quote]

you know there is a branch of physics that says your hand on the shafter might have caused it to be in the dash



mike