Safc Tied Into Fc Pressure Sensor Not Working....
#1
Sorry for triple post here, i posted at teamfc3s.org as well... and rx7club.com
Problem/Question Time.
After 8 long months of what i thought was a group buy that went south big time, my safc finally came.
Installed everything. Everything works.
WOHOOO! score one for me.
I however splied the TPS wire into the stock pressure sensor.
Reference: (http://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...=safc+AND+boost) it's down so i can't find my thread from a year ago.
What i know is this.
Stock pressure sensor output:
0V = -15 psi
5V = +15 psi
This can be confirmed by info from DIY FCD where paul stokes figured out the transfer function (equation of line) of the relationship between pressure and voltage output (http://www.teamfc3s.org/info/articles/fcd/diy_fcd.htm)
so we know this:
Out(V) = 0.169V/psi*P(psi) + 2.318V
Solving for Pressure, we get:
P(psi) = (Out(V) - 2.318V)/0.169V/psi
therefore for stock S5 TII which has max boost of 8.2 psig
this corresponds to 3.7038 Volts
The safc Throttle %, i'm assuming is between 0% and 100%, where 0% = 0V and 100% = 5V
therefore 3.7038V / 5V = 74.076%
So at 74.076% i should be at max boost.
But when i drive my car around, and boost her in 2nd up to 0.33 kg/cm^2 = 4.7 psig
the safc throttle % says i'm at 100% already. WTF?
4.7 psig should be 3.11 Volts or 62% throttle.
I'm dumb founded now.
When the car in the ON position it reads 65% throttle or 2.23 Volts
Fine! but 2.23 volts 5 = 44 %.
So i'm always off by 20% across the percentage range. So what i did was figure that 3.7/5 = 74% + 20%
but it is not working.
DALE! how the hell did you manage to get the safc to work with teh pressure sensor?
btw i have a total of 3 pressure sensors in my engine bay, greddy boost gauge sensor, apexi avcr pressure sensor and stock boost pressure sensor.
I have tried experimenting with the avcr pressure sensor, but at 0V i get -760mmHg, and at 5V i get 3.49 kg/cm^2 (i jumped the 5V power supply into the input to the avcr)
But if u plug the harness back to the pressure sensor for the avcr and take a reading for zero manifold pressure (engine stopped, but car is in on position) the reading is 0 mmHG = 1.508V.
if you try to plot these three points... 0 mmHG is way off the line if i were to connect -760mmhg and 3.49 kg/cm^2 (btw i converted all values to kg/cm^2 for excel)
so?
i'm lost... i think i'm going to give up soon.
Problem/Question Time.
After 8 long months of what i thought was a group buy that went south big time, my safc finally came.
Installed everything. Everything works.
WOHOOO! score one for me.
I however splied the TPS wire into the stock pressure sensor.
Reference: (http://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...=safc+AND+boost) it's down so i can't find my thread from a year ago.
What i know is this.
Stock pressure sensor output:
0V = -15 psi
5V = +15 psi
This can be confirmed by info from DIY FCD where paul stokes figured out the transfer function (equation of line) of the relationship between pressure and voltage output (http://www.teamfc3s.org/info/articles/fcd/diy_fcd.htm)
so we know this:
Out(V) = 0.169V/psi*P(psi) + 2.318V
Solving for Pressure, we get:
P(psi) = (Out(V) - 2.318V)/0.169V/psi
therefore for stock S5 TII which has max boost of 8.2 psig
this corresponds to 3.7038 Volts
The safc Throttle %, i'm assuming is between 0% and 100%, where 0% = 0V and 100% = 5V
therefore 3.7038V / 5V = 74.076%
So at 74.076% i should be at max boost.
But when i drive my car around, and boost her in 2nd up to 0.33 kg/cm^2 = 4.7 psig
the safc throttle % says i'm at 100% already. WTF?
4.7 psig should be 3.11 Volts or 62% throttle.
I'm dumb founded now.
When the car in the ON position it reads 65% throttle or 2.23 Volts
Fine! but 2.23 volts 5 = 44 %.
So i'm always off by 20% across the percentage range. So what i did was figure that 3.7/5 = 74% + 20%
but it is not working.
DALE! how the hell did you manage to get the safc to work with teh pressure sensor?
btw i have a total of 3 pressure sensors in my engine bay, greddy boost gauge sensor, apexi avcr pressure sensor and stock boost pressure sensor.
I have tried experimenting with the avcr pressure sensor, but at 0V i get -760mmHg, and at 5V i get 3.49 kg/cm^2 (i jumped the 5V power supply into the input to the avcr)
But if u plug the harness back to the pressure sensor for the avcr and take a reading for zero manifold pressure (engine stopped, but car is in on position) the reading is 0 mmHG = 1.508V.
if you try to plot these three points... 0 mmHG is way off the line if i were to connect -760mmhg and 3.49 kg/cm^2 (btw i converted all values to kg/cm^2 for excel)
so?
i'm lost... i think i'm going to give up soon.
#2
ive found it a little unreliable to just look at one article/source for stuff like this. the factory 89 manual says -100mmhg@1.9-2.1v and @0 its 2.2-2.5v for the pressure sensor. on the full range tps its .8v idle and 4.3v @wot
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