More bad luck with the oil pedestals...
#31
Originally Posted by eyecandy' post='792118' date='Jan 5 2006, 11:08 PM
As I said before they were NOT polished in the first place nor were they originally advertised as polished, after the welding polishing was not going to be conducted after the upgrade was performed. Billet does not refer to a polished piece, but a raw piece of material in its natural state. From the pictures the welds look like a typical tig weld; evenly spaced beads with the oxides removed around the welds, cannot get much better than that.
So you found the welds good correct? I know I did. The metal had to basically go back to natural form to get welded due to the difficulty in welding aluminum (trust me...it is NOT an easy thing to weld), especially when there are contaminants on the surface(this sentence is not directed towards eyecandy or the welder obviously). They probably had to hit it with a very strong cleaning agent, thus dulling the unit prior to welding it shut. I know whenever I bring my polished aluminum intercooler pipin to my welder, the first thing he tells me is to hit it with a sander and take off all the oxidation/chemicals off of the surface.
#32
However, I'm not saying do not return it. I'm saying that if your dissatisfied with the product, the manufacturer/seller should square up.
#33
Originally Posted by jspecracer7' post='792231' date='Jan 5 2006, 05:39 PM
So you found the welds good correct? I know I did. The metal had to basically go back to natural form to get welded due to the difficulty in welding aluminum (trust me...it is NOT an easy thing to weld), especially when there are contaminants on the surface(this sentence is not directed towards eyecandy or the welder obviously). They probably had to hit it with a very strong cleaning agent, thus dulling the unit prior to welding it shut. I know whenever I bring my polished aluminum intercooler pipin to my welder, the first thing he tells me is to hit it with a sander and take off all the oxidation/chemicals off of the surface.
I still think it was over penetration. It wasn't needed. Especially since the two pieces were threaded in. You can see the over penetration in artowar's pictures.
#34
As I stated before, I don't feel like it's my responsibility to contact the manufacturer. See my Wal-mart remark earlier. When I have a problem with something at Wal-mart I return it to them and not the manufacturer.
So are you saying you are not going to make this right?
So are you saying you are not going to make this right?
I did see your Wal-Mart remark earlier, I am not Wal-Mart. Besides it has been how long since your originally received the pedestal? Its been about 5 months now, well over even Wal-Marts return policy, and that is even after sending it the manufacturer for service (voluntary upgrades). I am sorry you do not feel its your responsiblity, however you sent this for an upgrade to the manufacturer and had no problem at that time sending (contacting) the manufacturer, why now all the sudden is this the opposite?
So in other words from now on a nice billet aluminum part will look like ***... ******* great. What am I going to be able to use a credit on anyway??? Absolutely ******* nothing. Just wonderful.
There is no need for vulgar language. Did you read Billy's reply? I take it you did not, let me sum it up for you, you have the option of the new re-designed pedestal (which you wanted a new pedestal) or credit with ReSpeed, for the fine print and further details please read the entire post.
As advertized:
Advantages:
-No more using a universal adaptor which raises the oil filter and in return requires removal of components.
-Has two 1/8th NTP taps for pressure and temperature.
-Minimize oil spillage when removing old filter.
-Fits same as stock oil filter pedestal.
-Looks really trick!
Looks really trick my ***. It should have been polished before sent out. Everything I've seen advertized as billet aluminum has been polished, even when welded. I also know a thing or two about welding and yes I do know that areas where welded are affected because of the process but it should have been polished afterwards. Any guy worth his salt from the south has welded at least once!
Advantages:
-No more using a universal adaptor which raises the oil filter and in return requires removal of components.
-Has two 1/8th NTP taps for pressure and temperature.
-Minimize oil spillage when removing old filter.
-Fits same as stock oil filter pedestal.
-Looks really trick!
Looks really trick my ***. It should have been polished before sent out. Everything I've seen advertized as billet aluminum has been polished, even when welded. I also know a thing or two about welding and yes I do know that areas where welded are affected because of the process but it should have been polished afterwards. Any guy worth his salt from the south has welded at least once!
You are complaining about it not being polished, do you see polished anywhere in the advertisement, I certainly do not! You had no problem with the appearance of the pedestal when originally received, at that time it was not polished but in its raw natural billet aluminum form, as with after welding. Since you are so upset about it not being polished now, why did you not share the same dissatisfaction when first recieved back in August? If I recall correctly, you thought it "looked great" and was "snazzy." Again, billet does no imply polished, maybe this link will help you understand the meaning. http://www.billetbrothers.com/billet.htm
Do not forget, you can always ask questions if you are unsure.
For what it is worth, I have seen and purchased many parts which were welded and not polished. Just to name a few, Fluidyne, Griffin, Koyo and PWR radiators, intercoolers and piping, ARC twin BOV kit, Greddy elbow (not fully polished)......
So you found the welds good correct? I know I did. The metal had to basically go back to natural form to get welded due to the difficulty in welding aluminum (trust me...it is NOT an easy thing to weld), especially when there are contaminants on the surface(this sentence is not directed towards eyecandy or the welder obviously). They probably had to hit it with a very strong cleaning agent, thus dulling the unit prior to welding it shut. I know whenever I bring my polished aluminum intercooler pipin to my welder, the first thing he tells me is to hit it with a sander and take off all the oxidation/chemicals off of the surface.
No offense taken, I glad you atleast understand the process of welding aluminum, and you find the welds good and in line with all others.
I still think it was over penetration. It wasn't needed. Especially since the two pieces were threaded in. You can see the over penetration in artowar's pictures.
Again I think you missed this, the size of the weld is determined by the thickness of the material to be welded, aluminum requires more heat input than any other material which creates a larger weld bead. Proper penetration is necessary for proper welds.
#35
I did see your Wal-Mart remark earlier, I am not Wal-Mart. Besides it has been how long since your originally received the pedestal? Its been about 5 months now, well over even Wal-Marts return policy, and that is even after sending it the manufacturer for service (voluntary upgrades)
5 months, it stayed back getting fixed for over a month. And no e-mails or follow ups. I had to pm you to find out what was taking so long. Yeah I was satisfied with it then until it almost cost Scrub an engine. That was all I needed to see so mine came off. Sure I'll give you one chance to make it right on my dime but after that I feel like it should be your reponsibility to make it right on your dime.
Also if I saw a picture of the one I have now, I wouldn't have signed up for the group buy. Sorry but I feel like it is a little bit of false advertizement. You may not feel that way but I like parts that look good and function good. The part I've got I don't think looks good or would function good.
This is what I want and I'll gladly shut up:
1) A refund of the purchase price plus the $5 I spent shipping it out the first time plus the shipping cost to send it back. OR
2) A replacement pedestal that isn't comprimised in the area circled in my first picture. I'll just live with the crappy looks or have it polished myself to get it back to looking "trick" or "snazzy" as I said (because I feel it is far from snazzy now). We can just agree to disagree on that subject. All I ask is I not be out the shipping cost for sending my current pedestal back.
I STILL feel like the one I currently have in my possession will leak and I don't want to take a chance installing it. I don't want to risk a motor on a seal ring unless it is totally protected.
I don't think that is too much to ask. Some may but I do not...
#36
Oh yeah and it does look like it was over penetration to cause the bubble in the middle of the pedestal on artowar's pedestal. What else would have caused that? I guess we can agree to disagree on that one too.
#37
Originally Posted by AgentSpeed' post='792353' date='Jan 6 2006, 01:09 PM
Believe me Van, I have the upmost respect for you and would take your advice 99.99% of the time. I know you know your **** when it comes to rx-7's. The only thing is I have over $40K in my car and I don't chance anything when it comes to my car. I don't feel like it will not leak oil. I don't want to take that chance. A part I feel like that isn't up to snuff isn't going on my car period. I just don't feel like it will not leak. No since taking the chance with a low dollar part that could affect a high dollar motor. I've only got 8K miles on my motor.
I understand bud. That's why I made that second remark about returns. As much money as we have/had spent on our cars, it is understandable that we would want a perfect product.
artowar's pedestal isn't up to standard, that's for sure.
#38
Originally Posted by eyecandy' post='792118' date='Jan 5 2006, 06:08 AM
...Artowar,
This was apart of the upgrade, welding the center post and external bung, you part is not defective. The original upgrade statement from the manufacturer sent out 11/02/05:
As a continued effort to supply the best products possible we would like to offer an upgrade to an existing product you have purchased. This upgrade involves the permanent attachment of the filter thread and/or the banjo fitting on the replacement oil pedestal you purchased. This is a voluntary upgrade that will be performed free of charge for you our customer. A singular report of failure on the filter thread post was brought to our attention. We are unclear of all the circumstances related to this failure, but this upgrade is how all future pedestals will be manufactured. You may at your discretion and piece of mind remove the part and ship it back to us for update.
As I told Heath, all complaints are to be directed to the manufacturer. The upgrade was voluntary; offered and conducted by the manufacturer for piece of mind against failure. You sent the pedestal to the manufacturer for the upgrade, therefore if you are dissatisfied with the upgrade contact the manufacturer...
The blockage in the center was caused by the welding of the center post. If you believe that's not defective, then I'd hate to see what you believe is defective.
Regarding where to direct complaints, obviously I'm going to direct them to the person that should take responsibility. Here, that person is you. You contracted for the manufacture of these items, and you retailed them via this forum. Attempting to pass all responsibility to MRC is pathetic.
Unfortunately, you've made it clear that you will do nothing other than ask MRC to clean up this debacle. At least they seem to be making an effort to correct the situation.
#39
ok everyone calm down or i will calm it down! no personal attacks or anything like that.
art did you read what MRC said about the error on yours ???
some people check pms please
art did you read what MRC said about the error on yours ???
some people check pms please
#40
Originally Posted by artowar' post='792400' date='Jan 6 2006, 12:48 AM
The blockage in the center was caused by the welding of the center post. If you believe that's not defective, then I'd hate to see what you believe is defective.
Sir, as stated in my previous post, I agree with you 100% on the blockage. I completely missed it when cleaning it up and it should have never been sent out like that. I apologize again.
-billy